French President Hollande tells Marois secularism eases social tensions

No surprise, as Quebec has always been influenced by French debates on accommodation and laicité, notwithstanding the very different histories and context of Quebec and France. France has had similar regulations to the proposed Charter since 2004 and there is ongoing debate over their effectiveness, not to mention the overall weakness of France’s integration of other communities, particularly Muslims.

French President Hollande tells Marois secularism eases social tensions – Need to know – Macleans.ca.

Hollande vante la laïcité proposée par Marois

Laïcité – Pauline Marois et Jean-Marc Ayrault sont sur la même longueur d’onde and other Charter-related articles

No surprise given that elements in Quebec have always been inspired by French cartesian approaches to integration issues, without taking into account the very different history and mix of immigration in Quebec compared to France, or the extremely poor French record on integration and participation of minority communities:

« Les propos de Jean-Marc Ayrault sont de la musique à mes oreilles, a déclaré la première ministre. Vous connaissez très bien notre point de vue. Ce sont les mêmes mots que j’ai utilisés à l’Assemblée nationale du Québec entre autres où j’ai parlé justement du vouloir vivre ensemble […]. Nous pensons qu’il faut que les règles soient claires et c’est essentiellement ce que nous faisons avec notre charte des valeurs affirmant la laïcité du Québec et de ses institutions. »

The visit took place the same day as the publication of a government-appointed working group report arguing for a more inclusive, open approach to integration, including rolling back some of the prohibitions of the hijab and more recognition of minority cultures . Quickly repudiated by the French government and opposition politicians alike, given the engrained nature of  French laïcité:

Laïcité – Pauline Marois et Jean-Marc Ayrault sont sur la même longueur d’onde | Le Devoir.

La laïcité française, une «inspiration» pour Marois | PAUL JOURNET | Politique québécoise

France urged to end ban on Muslim headscarves in schools amid fears over growing racism

And lastly, a couple of opinion pieces, the first noting the similarities and differences between Canada and Quebec on Christmas and religion (not that significant, much bigger differences between Canada and the US), the  second, by a self-styled “jeune rebel” uses Hitchens to make his arguments for the charter, with a dogmatic approach against religion:

Le Québec toujours habité par la foi  | MATHIEU PERREAULT | National

Hitchens appuierait le projet de loi 60 | Le Devoir

La charte va trop loin, selon la CSN

More criticism of the Quebec charter, by another of the unions, advocating and expanded version of Bouchard-Taylor (limited to officials in position of authority) by adding teachers. The union also favours maintaining the rights of existing officials that would be affected by the charter, creating two classes of officials. Hardly workable, but then so neither is the Charter.

La charte va trop loin, selon la CSN | Le Devoir.

PQ touts Quebec’s ‘decanadianization,’ citing new poll’s findings

While there is some validity to increased mutual indifference between Quebec and the rest of Canada, exacerbated by a government overwhelmingly based in English Canada and with policies less attuned to Quebec public opinion, the examples of specific policies cited – opposition to the Quebec values charter, insistence on a toll to pay for a new bridge in Montreal – are less convincing.

The proposed charter has considerable opposition within Quebec, and a toll bridge to replace one that is at risk of falling apart, hardly make a strong case for “decanadianization”. The Canadian constitution is relatively decentralized with most public services being delivered by the provinces,  including education, thus strengthening regional identities.

PQ touts Quebec’s ‘decanadianization,’ citing new poll’s findings – The Globe and Mail.

Lisée: «le Canada devient de plus en plus un corps étranger» au Québec | Martin Ouellet | Politique

Charte des valeurs: des échos jusqu’en Turquie and Office of Religious Freedom

While the headline refers to the proposed Quebec charter, this is one of the few interviews that I have seen with the head of the Office of Religious Freedom, Andrew Bennett, on the nature of some of his discussions abroad.

Normal that once one opens these types of discussions with other countries that Canadian issues also get raised, with the proposed charter being an easy target. A bit ironic given the Canadian government’s criticism of many UN processes and committees that provide similar opportunities for criticism of Canada when we raise human rights or other issues.

Charte des valeurs: des échos jusqu’en Turquie | JOËL-DENIS BELLAVANCE | Politique canadienne.

Quebec: Education charter chill

An in-depth piece on recent history of Quebec headgear debates, starting with efforts, under then Education Minister Marois to open up, and concluding with PM Marois’s current focus on the Charter, proposed reversing some of that opening.

Speaking the day after the head of the Quebec women’s federation was booed and heckled at a discussion at Université du Québec à Montréal, McAndrew said the debate is bringing out the worst in Quebec society. She added that it also might encourage teachers to dismiss any efforts to adapt to students of diverse ethnic backgrounds — in the way they teach their history course, for example — or accept different eating habits, or have patience with parents who haven’t mastered French.

“We are encouraging people to say OK we’re done with being open to different religions, but also to different cultures and languages, especially given the early ambiguity of the charter of ‘values’ before coming back to ‘laïcité’ (secularism) and the attitude that we must ‘put our pants on’ to deal with immigrants. …

“There’s so much tension and so much aggression,” McAndrew said. “It’s very worrisome. Will we feel it in the schools? I won’t say this is the end of our openness to pluralism, but we’re taking two steps backward for one step forward. And there are so many other things we should be working on in the schools for both the majority and the minority students.”

Education charter chill.

Signes religieux: Pauline Marois sur la défensive – and Other Charter Articles

Further to my earlier post (Question du voile: «On a plus urgent»), on the record of PQ ministers, and previous PQ governments favouring inclusion and openness on religious symbols (when PM Marois was education minister), fun to see lively debate in the Quebec legislature pointing out the contradictions with the approach in the charter.

And like so many politicians these days, she takes what I can only call the “stupid” approach of denying the shift, rather than being honest and having a discussion on why the change. Even if I don’t agree with the Charter, any good comms person or policy advisor to come up with a few talking points that would sound more credible than:

«Jamais, jamais, dans ce document (the 1988 policy document), nous ne parlons de signes ostensibles. Jamais, parce que, dans les faits, comme je suis très cohérente, ce n’était pas dans ce document, puisque dans la charte nous empêcherons qu’il y ait le port de signes religieux ostensibles, et cela va dans le sens du respect, de chacun et de tous et de toutes», a argué la première ministre.

The more the PQ speaks of coherence, the more incoherent it appears.

And the polls do not appear to show that the political gambit of the Charter has worked; the PLQ maintains a lead of 5 points over the PQ, which appears to have reached a plateau, and support for sovereignty is only 33 percent. Hearings on the Charter start mid-January for a period of two months, and we will see what impact they have.

Signes religieux: Pauline Marois sur la défensive | Martin Ouellet | Politique québécoise.

One of the Quebec nursing unions, La Fédération interprofessionnelle de la santé du Québec (FIQ), surveyed its members showing 60 percent supported the charter. In contrast, most hospitals and other health associations have come out against the charter, given the large number of employees that would be affected, and the impact on operations that would occur.

La FIQ appuie la Charte des valeurs | Hugo Pilon-Larose | Santé

But a number of the larger unions that are members of the FIQ, particularly two in Montreal, have dissociated themselves from this endorsement of the Charter:

Charte de la laïcité: d’importants syndicats se dissocient de la FIQ | Hugo Pilon-Larose | Politique québécoise

Question du voile: «On a plus urgent»

Funny. Jean-François Lisée, PQ Minister for Montreal who has been inflexible on the proposed charter, has been caught out as saying in his 2007 book, Nous, as not having any issues with the hijab in 2007 and showing openness and tolerance.

Rima Elkouri then notes the total absence of any serious documents or studies on the need for the Charter, apart from a poll, which gets this appropriate retort:

Voilà qui est lamentable. En matière de droits fondamentaux des minorités, un gouvernement qui se laisserait dicter ses décisions par la foule fait toujours fausse route. Ça vaut pour les droits des Québécois – ils n’ont pas à être dictés par une consultation menée à Ottawa auprès de la population canadienne. Ça vaut pour les droits des minorités sexuelles. Aurait-on idée de baser un projet de loi sur les droits fondamentaux des gais et des lesbiennes sur un sondage où tout un chacun pourrait nous dire s’il se sent très à l’aise, moyennement à l’aise ou pas du tout à l’aise face à l’homosexualité? Bien sûr que non. Ce serait parfaitement irresponsable.

Question du voile: «On a plus urgent» | Rima Elkouri.

Un cours d’histoire trop «orienté» au goût des profs | Le Devoir

Debate over the consultation document for Quebec’s high school history course. Written too much for the teachers, not the students. Some of the debate seems like typical debates between experts, not terribly profound.

Un cours d’histoire trop «orienté» au goût des profs | Le Devoir.

Tumulte autour de la laïcité – Il faut continuer de débattre | Le Devoir

Commentary on the panel discussion of the proposed Charter organized by Lucie Jobin, Présidente du Mouvement laïque québécois (MLQ) (see earlier post Un débat sur un «Québec laïque» dérape | Le Devoir). I tend to believe the earlier account than this justification piece, given that the proponents of laicisme at the debate are as fundamentalist in their beliefs as the people they  are concerned about. People who may have attended may wish to comment.

Tumulte autour de la laïcité – Il faut continuer de débattre | Le Devoir.