Pauline Marois et Kellie Leitch : deux poids, deux mesures? 

I think Marie Vastel has it wrong here.

Most commentary has been critical of Lietch and her proposed values test for immigrants, including many Conservatives. Comparing a two-week period with the close-to-a-year period of the Quebec Values Charter debates is meaningless. It would have been more interesting to compare the first two weeks following the QVC announcement to make a proper assessment.

But that would take too much time and effort…

La controverse entourant la députée ontarienne reste jeune. Son idée de test de valeurs n’a été révélée qu’il y a deux semaines. Mais, pour l’instant, les commentateurs semblent moins pressés de dresser le même constat qu’au lendemain du dépôt de la charte des valeurs péquiste.

Source: Pauline Marois et Kellie Leitch : deux poids, deux mesures? | Le Devoir

Laïcité – Pauline Marois et Jean-Marc Ayrault sont sur la même longueur d’onde and other Charter-related articles

No surprise given that elements in Quebec have always been inspired by French cartesian approaches to integration issues, without taking into account the very different history and mix of immigration in Quebec compared to France, or the extremely poor French record on integration and participation of minority communities:

« Les propos de Jean-Marc Ayrault sont de la musique à mes oreilles, a déclaré la première ministre. Vous connaissez très bien notre point de vue. Ce sont les mêmes mots que j’ai utilisés à l’Assemblée nationale du Québec entre autres où j’ai parlé justement du vouloir vivre ensemble […]. Nous pensons qu’il faut que les règles soient claires et c’est essentiellement ce que nous faisons avec notre charte des valeurs affirmant la laïcité du Québec et de ses institutions. »

The visit took place the same day as the publication of a government-appointed working group report arguing for a more inclusive, open approach to integration, including rolling back some of the prohibitions of the hijab and more recognition of minority cultures . Quickly repudiated by the French government and opposition politicians alike, given the engrained nature of  French laïcité:

Laïcité – Pauline Marois et Jean-Marc Ayrault sont sur la même longueur d’onde | Le Devoir.

La laïcité française, une «inspiration» pour Marois | PAUL JOURNET | Politique québécoise

France urged to end ban on Muslim headscarves in schools amid fears over growing racism

And lastly, a couple of opinion pieces, the first noting the similarities and differences between Canada and Quebec on Christmas and religion (not that significant, much bigger differences between Canada and the US), the  second, by a self-styled “jeune rebel” uses Hitchens to make his arguments for the charter, with a dogmatic approach against religion:

Le Québec toujours habité par la foi  | MATHIEU PERREAULT | National

Hitchens appuierait le projet de loi 60 | Le Devoir

Signes religieux: Pauline Marois sur la défensive – and Other Charter Articles

Further to my earlier post (Question du voile: «On a plus urgent»), on the record of PQ ministers, and previous PQ governments favouring inclusion and openness on religious symbols (when PM Marois was education minister), fun to see lively debate in the Quebec legislature pointing out the contradictions with the approach in the charter.

And like so many politicians these days, she takes what I can only call the “stupid” approach of denying the shift, rather than being honest and having a discussion on why the change. Even if I don’t agree with the Charter, any good comms person or policy advisor to come up with a few talking points that would sound more credible than:

«Jamais, jamais, dans ce document (the 1988 policy document), nous ne parlons de signes ostensibles. Jamais, parce que, dans les faits, comme je suis très cohérente, ce n’était pas dans ce document, puisque dans la charte nous empêcherons qu’il y ait le port de signes religieux ostensibles, et cela va dans le sens du respect, de chacun et de tous et de toutes», a argué la première ministre.

The more the PQ speaks of coherence, the more incoherent it appears.

And the polls do not appear to show that the political gambit of the Charter has worked; the PLQ maintains a lead of 5 points over the PQ, which appears to have reached a plateau, and support for sovereignty is only 33 percent. Hearings on the Charter start mid-January for a period of two months, and we will see what impact they have.

Signes religieux: Pauline Marois sur la défensive | Martin Ouellet | Politique québécoise.

One of the Quebec nursing unions, La Fédération interprofessionnelle de la santé du Québec (FIQ), surveyed its members showing 60 percent supported the charter. In contrast, most hospitals and other health associations have come out against the charter, given the large number of employees that would be affected, and the impact on operations that would occur.

La FIQ appuie la Charte des valeurs | Hugo Pilon-Larose | Santé

But a number of the larger unions that are members of the FIQ, particularly two in Montreal, have dissociated themselves from this endorsement of the Charter:

Charte de la laïcité: d’importants syndicats se dissocient de la FIQ | Hugo Pilon-Larose | Politique québécoise

A few simple questions for Pauline Marois | Toronto Star

Haroon Siddiqui in The Star comes up with a few questions on how the proposed Charter could be implemented and the numerous practical issues that arise. The challenge for any principles-based approach lies in the practical; his list indicates just how impractical and exclusionary it actually is.

A few simple questions for Pauline Marois | Toronto Star.

More on the Charte des valeurs québécoise – Round-up

Starting with the dirty little secret of just how poor Quebec’s record on integrating newcomers into the government workforce – only 2 percent, compared to close to 9 percent visible minority population (2006 Census). Not surprisingly, the SFPQ union supports the Charte, as it reinforces their existing membership base.

La Charte vise moins de 2 % des fonctionnaires | Le Devoir.

PQ gets backing of civil-servants’ union for religion plan

Premier Marois maintains that the Charte is équilibrée (​Laïcité – Pauline Marois affirme que sa proposition est équilibrée) and the PQ presses the private sector to follow the government’s lead on secular workplaces (PQ presses private sector to follow its lead on secular workplaces).

But more on the divisions within Quebec on the Charte. This ranges from Montreal, Quebec’s most diverse city, but Western Quebec, next to Ottawa, and diverse, remains undecided. And various groups, including sovereigntists, also expressing opposition:

Charte des valeurs: l’île de Montréal se rebiffe

 Charter widens rifts between mayors, PQ and sovereigntists

Charte des valeurs: les CPE (Centres de la petite enfance) divisés 

West Quebec institutions undecided on ‘opting out’ of Charter of Values

Charte des valeurs: les indépendantistes divisés

Charte des valeurs québécoises – Les souverainistes divisés

Québec inclusif – Engouement pour le manifeste anti-Charte

Couillard veut scinder la «charte de la chicane» pour l’adopter

And some more general commentary, starting with some good political analysis, particularly from Paul Wells:

Charter of values: Old dogs, nous tricks

PQ’s tower of babble

Marois’s Charter of Values is more about electoral politics than sovereignty

Who actually applauded Quebec’s values charter?

And a good discussion about federal paternalism, acknowledging the vigorous debate within Quebec but without reference to the legitimate federal role, grounded in the Constitution and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, but the universal declaration of human rights and other instruments.

Given the strength of the debate and controversy within Quebec, the PQ may have over-reached. I would be curious to know the advice of the public servants on the proposal – likely not comfortable given the ideological and political basis for the Charte:

Le paternalisme fédéral

Charter of Quebec values on collision course with Constitution?

And Justin Trudeau, Liberal leader who was first off the mark criticizing the Charte, has an op ed expressing faith that Quebeckers will reject the proposal, with Patrick Lagacé noting the politics of the initiative:

 Justin Trudeau writes: I have faith in Quebec. So should you 

The PQ’s not racist – just running scared

And a reminder that the French approach, which Quebec sometimes to draw from without due consideration of how Quebec has a history of generally successfully integrating immigrants from countries as diverse as Ireland, Italy, Portugal, Haiti, with some of the more recent waves of immigrants having more challenges (as happens elsewhere):

Quebec charter of values plan could take a few pages from France: Don Murray

And a sensible call to pursue the Bouchard-Taylor recommendation of a white paper and consultations to have an informed discussion and debate, rather than what appears to be an ad hoc electoral and divisive strategy of throwing out poorly conceived ideas and proposals. On the other hand, that may help kill the Charte.

La Charte des valeurs – L’espace du compromis

Expect that coverage will quieten over the next few weeks until the parliamentary and related processes pick up. But I have been wrong before!

Quebec’s values debate is revealing – Articles

Starting with a highly critical commentary by Andrew Cohen, arguing that the debate reflects Quebec as an “adolescent” society, then progressing to criticize the federal leaders, save Justin Trudeau, for not taking a strong stand.

Quebec likes to think it looks to Europe. If so, it is becoming less like Europe as a social democracy and more like Europe as an anxious democracy, worried about the challenges of diversity.

Quebec’s values debate is revealing.

In Le Devoir, Jean-Claude Leclerc, provides some useful history to Quebec’s ongoing sensitivity to religion and the other, and is equally critical of the proposed approach:

Personne ne va monter aux barricades au nom du principe de la séparation de l’Église et de l’État. Et surtout, à quoi une autre déclaration sur l’égalité entre les sexes pourrait-elle bien s’appliquer, alors qu’il s’agit, en l’occurrence, d’inégalité visant d’abord et avant tout des femmes. Plus souvent victimes de violence. Plus nombreuses à vivre dans la pauvreté. À devoir se faire proches aidants. Et bien sûr à être encore sous-représentées dans les institutions de l’État, à commencer par l’Assemblée nationale.

Entre-temps, d’aucuns se demanderont sans doute en quoi l’État qui exclut l’Église de la définition des valeurs peut prétendre imposer les siennes à toute une société.

Laïcité et valeurs québécoises – De Maurice Duplessis à Pauline Marois

And another, shorter historical perspective, from Stéphane Baillargeon of Le Devoir, going back five years to the Bouchard-Taylor Commission, noting just how lively the debate is, and while the media plays a role in heightening the issue, the media is also responding to popular concerns.

Charte des valeurs québécoises – Brûler pour ne pas s’éteindre

Charte des valeurs québécoises – Some articles of interest

Some good articles today on the ongoing controversy about the leaked draft Charte des valeurs québécoises.

First, interview Jocelyn Maclure of Laval University on the appropriate balance between secular government and religious freedom of expression, essentially taking a position similar to the Bouchard-Taylor Commission:

Q&A: Quebec’s religious garb debate intensifies – Canada – CBC News.

A good analysis in La Presse about all the steps the PQ has not taken in preparing its draft and the implications for the debate and positioning, namely need for public consultations, trying to change the vocabulary from laïcité to valeurs, going far beyond Bouchard-Taylor in banning religious symbols for all government employees (not just those in authority), and how opposition parties are lined up (Liberals against, CAQ has yet to pronounce itself officially but appears to have some reserves, Québec solidaire against), and lastly it will be challenged in the courts.

Charte des valeurs québécoises: un chemin semé d’embûches

A good opinion piece by Lionel Perez – Maire de l’arrondissement de Côte-des-Neiges -Notre-Dame-de-Grâce (one of the most diverse areas of Montreal), on the need for an open definition of  laïcité, laïcité inclusive, not the narrow, exclusionary approach of the draft proposal:

La laïcité inclusive est une valeur québécoise

And Martin Patriquin of Macleans on some of the likely effects on employment  opportunities for immigrant and new Canadian women, as well as how the politics are playing out:

Surely you’re not comparing Pauline Marois to Vladimir Putin?