Les femmes d’un bord, les hommes de l’autre | Le Devoir

It would be nice to see some commentary in English media on accommodation at the U of Regina, where one of the complications is the large number of foreign students, including from Saudi Arabia, where mixed gender activities are prohibited and uncomfortable for many.

Professor Grayson spoke in favour of the Quebec Charter to French media but has not, to my knowledge, done so to English media. And while I do not agree with the decision of York U administration in favour of granting an accommodation, at least they were reviewing the issue and present, unlike U of Regina where admin appeared to be absent:

Une des personnes qui ont contacté le professeur Grayson est membre de l’Université de Regina. Cette personne, qui ne veut pas que son identité soit révélée, déplore les accommodements accordés par son institution à des musulmans demandant de ne pas être exposés à la vue de femmes. Cette personne cite les fenêtres de la piscine, les groupes séparés selon le sexe et même le fait que « plusieurs étudiants ont préféré recevoir un zéro plutôt que faire un travail sur les femmes et le leadership ». « Ce que j’ai trouvé le plus difficile fut la façon dont les étudiants masculins me dévaluaient et me traitaient comme un objet. En bout de piste, je crois que nous avons un problème au pays […]. Quelqu’un doit se tenir debout. »

Les femmes d’un bord, les hommes de l’autre | Le Devoir.

York professor at centre of religious rights furor: Rights Code is the issue – The Globe and Mail

Professor Grayson’s op-ed in The Globe. Well argued but goes a bit too far in wanting a “pure” secular model, with no accommodation whatsoever for religious reasons. My own thoughts on accommodation in general are here but I have no objection, for example, to sex segregated swimming hours, as a means to encourage participation of girls and women, but do object  to sex-segregated academic instruction. As to his call for a provincial inquiry, the most recent example was the Bouchard-Taylor Commission of 2007, which played a useful role in debunking some of the more sensational media coverage and providing a sound intellectual framework for looking at reasonable accommodation issues.

Unlikely that Ontario will want to go down that route (don’t see advantages for any of the three political parties) but a useful starting point would be to see if York and other universities, as well as school boards, track accommodation requests, to assess the scope of the problem. Again, I am more in the world that is the lack of judgement rather than the lack of rules as per Coyne’s piece (York accommodation and Quebec values charter aren’t opposites, in fact they are the same):

It is also clear from reading these e-mail accounts that the moral confusion that characterized the York administration’s position is not confined to universities. Many pointed to the fact that in Ontario’s publicly funded primary and secondary schools, examples can be found of situations in which code-sanctioned prayer meetings segregate boys from girls. In other instances, parents can request that their children not be required to sit beside or work with members of the opposite sex. In some publicly funded swimming pools, boys are separated from girls for religious reasons.

Such accommodations are likely to engender feelings of inferiority in girls. Conversely, boys might mistakenly assume they are superior to girls. Such accommodations also likely provide a bad example for other students. Seeing or hearing of gendered segregation in his school, an impressionable 12-year-old boy may come to believe that separation between the sexes is acceptable. If some of his friends regard the girls in the prayer room as unworthy, he may come to view them the same way. Given these conditions, it would not be surprising to discover that once they got to university, some of these students would think it legitimate to request accommodations to avoid working with their female peers. Their previous education had taught them that if you asked for a religious accommodation, you got it.

There is evidence from my e-mails that in Ontario the rights of female students are suffering from religious compromise at all levels of education. Unfortunately, we do not know the full dimensions of this compromise, or its long-term effects on female students, on their male peers and, ultimately, on the value structure of our society.

For these reasons, we need an impartial provincial inquiry into these matters. On the basis of its findings, it might be possible to get the Human Rights Code back on track and more relevant to Ontarians of all faiths concerned with their daughters’ educations and futures.

York professor at centre of religious rights furor: Rights Code is the issue – The Globe and Mail.

York U: Professor Grayson’s Chronology and Paper on

A long and detailed chronology on the York U accommodation request by Professor Grayson. He was conscientious in considering the request for accommodation, and made the right call in declining the request. He applied common sense and judgement. Worth reading for those interested, and well worth reflecting upon how we maintain the reasonable in reasonable accommodation, without having to go down the unproductive route of trying to codify everything (i.e., not follow the Quebec model):

York University: Prof Grayson Paper on Erosion of Female Rights

York dean has ‘regret,’ but defends religious-accommodation choice – The Globe and Mail

As noted in an earlier post, Andrew Coyne has it right (York accommodation and Quebec values charter aren’t opposites, in fact they are the same); the problem is not the policies, laws and regulations, it is the absence of good judgement in its application:

In an interview, York provost Rhonda Lenton said if the student had made the same request for an in-class course, rather than one offered online, “I think that would be highly unlikely that the university would agree to grant such accommodation.”

After consulting York’s legal counsel and human-rights officials concerning the Ontario Human Rights Code, however, Dr. Singer also concluded that granting the accommodation “would have no substantial impact on the experience of other students.” And he suggests “the student would presumably not have enrolled” had the course not been advertised as exclusively online, even though Dr. Grayson says he knows the student has taken in-person courses at York.

“I wish I had had another choice, but neither I, nor those who advised me, believe that I did,” Dr. Singer’s letter concludes.

York dean has ‘regret,’ but defends religious-accommodation choice – The Globe and Mail.

York University Accommodation Controversy

No surprise, that editorial and other commentary is uniformly in favour of the York U Professor Grayson and against York U Admin (University stands by controversial decision to allow female-free schooling for religious student).

National Post editorial board: Rights crusaders run amok at York University | National Post.

York professor was right to deny student’s request to work apart from women: Toronto Star Editorial

York U prof won’t let male student opt out of working with female classmates – Sun

Ottawa Citizen Editorial: Unreasonable accommodation

 What York University forgot: Gender equality is not negotiable  (Sheema Khan)

Interesting, in Quebec media only (to date), Professor Grayson was quoted in being in favour of the Quebec Charter of Values:

« Tout ceci indique qu’il y a un certain besoin pour le genre de choses qui sont débattues au Québec, lance Paul Grayson en entrevue téléphonique avec Le Devoir. Nous avons des universités publiques. Elles doivent être laïques. On ne peut pas avoir des droits religieux qui ont préséance sur les droits laïques des étudiantes. »

Un prof réclame une charte pour le Canada

Religious accommodation or ‘accessory to sexism’? York student’s case stirs debate – The Globe and Mail

The request by a male student at York University in Toronto to be accommodated in his wish to not be in a study group where he would have to interact with female students has understandably attracted much controversy.

Accommodation is not an automatic right but has to be balanced against the rights of others and the broader interests of society, which include the overall mandate of universities to encourage learning, discussion and knowledge, irrespective of gender, race, sexual orientation etc. Professor Grayson made the right call in rejecting the request; unfortunately the Dean did not and too accommodating.

Seems to have ended up with the student accepting the Professor’s position, but still worrisome that Dr. Grayson was not backed up by the university administration:

The dean’s office told the student if he wished to drop the course, the fee would be refunded. But less than a week later, the student told Dr. Grayson he would “respect the final decision” to deny the request, was pleased with the way it had been handled, and has since met with his learning group. Even so, York has not changed its stand.

“What concerns me is that there’s an apparatus there that says this kind of thing’s okay, and you could have other students making similar requests,” Dr. Grayson said. “… There is room here for decision-making, and as far as I’m concerned, York has made the wrong decision.”

Religious accommodation or ‘accessory to sexism’? York student’s case stirs debate – The Globe and Mail.

And in Britain some similar debates about accommodation in UK university campuses for Muslim speakers who insist on separate seating for men and women (see Campus segregation: ‘religious freedom’ cannot be allowed to trump equality – Telegraph).

Agree that such accommodation in public universities is not reasonable as it undermines integration and equality:

All the more reason, then, that a fearless debate is encouraged to protect the fundamental values of a secular society. Teachings and practices in some faith schools that undermine women’s freedoms also ill prepare boys for the challenges of a modern mixed workplace. Issues such as forced arranged marriages, and domestic violence condoned by the extended family, have to be confronted, not because they are exclusive to any particular religious group, but because they are out of step with our civic life.

Segregation:our secular values need to be protected | Observer editorial | Comment is free | The Observer.